Is it n9rmal t9 share pictures 9f y9urself here? I d9n't expect us t9 l99k t99 different, if y9u rec9gnize a parad9x versi9n 9f s9me9ne y9u already kn9w.
I CAN REASSURE YOU THAT WE LOOK DIFFERENT. JUST SHARE A PICTURE OF YOURSELF. THERE'S AN ALT OF US THAT HAS RODENT FEATURES.
A r9dent? ... Curi9us. 6ut. N9. N9t yet. Th9ugh, I will admit t9 6eing surprised t9 hear enc9uragement fr9m y9u, 9f all tr9lls. Unless y9u're assuming that a r9dent l99king tr9ll is p9ssi6ly m9re c9mm9n than n9t.
I MADE A TYPO AND DIDN'T MEANT TO PUT US AND MEANT "ME" BUT. ALSO NO THE KARKAT IS VERY RODENT-LIKE. RAT TAIL INCLUDED. AS FOR KANKRI'S THERE'S ONE I KNOW THAT'S TRANSFEM. SO YOUR ALTS OBJECTIVELY WILL LOOK DIFFERENT.
Much as I appreciate the c9rrecti9n, Karkat, it w9uld simply lead me t9 6elieve that there is a c9rresp9nding Kankri paired with the r9dent-eque Karkat in questi9n. It's technically c9rrect, either way. I hadn't 6een aware there was a way f9r us (Kankris, specifically) t9 decide that the already s9ft gender dynamics 9f tr9ll s9ciety still managed t9 6e rigid en9ugh t9 warrant needing t9 clarify a femme presentati9n and s9cial status. ... Then again, I supp9se I can't say I'm anything special.
THERE WOULD BE A RODENT LIKE KANKRI TO HIM, YEAH. I MEAN, HE'S NOT UGLY IF THAT'S A CONCERN. HE'S JUST VAGUELY RAT-LIKE. I MEAN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TROLLS ARE STILL SEXUALLY DIMORPHIC TO A DEGREE. SO EVEN TRANSITIONING IS POSSIBLE. ALSO, I THINK ON ALTERNIAN, THERE IS STILL SOME GENDER INEQUALITY (NAMELY AGAINST PEOPLE BORN AS WOMEN), SO TRANSITIONING IS STILL A THING. IT'S JUST NOT AS BIG A DEAL FOR TROLLS AS IT IS FOR HUMANS, AS WE HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW OF GENDER. ALSO, YOUR TRANSFEMME ALT JUST DECIDED THAT BEING A MAN DIDN'T WORK WITH HER IDENTITY ANYMORE; SHE SAID IT WAS A LOT OF SOUL SEARCHING. I DON'T REALLY KNOW HER PERSONALLY. SHE'S NOT MY KANKRI. I JUST SAW HER POSTS ON A DIFFERENT APP.
I'm n9t w9rried f9r h9w attractive he may seem. I'm sure he'd even agree, that's far fr9m a c9ncern f9r me t9 have in regards t9 him at all. Mammalian tr9lls is a curi9us devel9pment, m9re than anything. Sexual dim9rphism is... fluid thr9ugh timelines. F9r example: In mine, the strictness 9f physical gender presentati9n is largely attri6uted t9 9ne's lusii, as they have a h9rm9ne 6ased influence 9n the tr9lls they take in and raise. I supp9se it is fair t9 say that 6ecause 9f h9w lusii are devel9ped in a 6i9l9gical sense (females typically 6eing smaller and less muscularly devel9ped fr9m m9st males, if such a distincti9n is present in that species 9f lusii), these influences are frequently f9und in their wrigglers when they're in their adult m9lts. Then, 9f c9urse, y9u have tr9lls with n9 lusii t9 influence their devel9pment and that in and 9f itself is an9ther layered c9mplicati9n t9 physical gender presentati9n and h9w that might influence s9cietal expectati9n and treatment... 6ut this isn't really a c9ncern 9f mine, specifically.
I WOULDN'T KNOW, I'M NOT YOU, OR HE'S. BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT. ALSO, THERE ARE A LOT OF MAMMALIAN TROLLS I'VE SEEN. I MEAN, IF A PLATYPUS CAN EXIST, SO CAN MAMMALIAN TROLLS. I MEAN THAT ASIDE, THERE IS STILL THE ABILITY TO NOT IDENTIFY WITH THE GENDER YOU WERE BORN WITH. EVEN IF IT'S COMPLEX, GENDER PRESENTATION IS COMPLEX. YOUR BIOLOGICAL SEX, REGARDLESS OF GENETIC COMPLEXITIES, SHOULDN'T STOP YOU FROM PROUDLY CHANGING HOW YOU PRESENT. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANY TIMELINE BUT MY OWN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,Y GENDER PRESENTATION AND SOCIAL REPRESENTATION ARE ENTIRELY UP TO YOU, AND IF YOU CHANGE YOUR GENDER THAT DOESN'T MATCH WITH YOUR BIOLOGICAL SEX, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A SOCIAL TRANSITION, IT'S STILL TRANSITIONING. TROLLS HERE HAVE 3 "SEXES": MALE, FEMALE, AND INTERSEX. TO GET FURTHER INTO THAT, INTERSEX MALE, INTERSEX FEMALE. IT CAN, OF COURSE, BE MORE COMPLEX; YOU CAN END UP WITH ANY SEX HERE, REALLY, BUT TYPICALLY, SOCIALLY, "MALE" AND "FEMALE" ARE STILL THE BINARY. WHICH IS GOOD. I'M JUST YAPPING.
I'm perfectly fine with y9ur "yapping," Karkat. N9 need t9 explain it t9 me, 9f all tr9lls. Inter-sexed tr9lls is... an9ther new 9ne f9r me. Is there tw9 pairs 9f genatalia (ie tw9 n99ks, tw9 6ulges) 9r w9uld this largely 6e effected elsewhere in the 69dy? (69ne structure, m9lt rate, muscle gr9wth and s9 9n...)
GOOD TO KNOW AND TRUE. I CAN'T SAY I REALLY KNOW, I'M NOT INTERSEX. BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A MIXTURE OF THINGS, IT'S DIFFERENT CASE TO CASE. SOME LEAN MORE TOWARD HAVING UNIQUE BONE STRUCTURES OR MOLT RATES, ETC. OR THEIR GENITALIA IS ALTERED. AMAB TROLLS TEND TO HAVE VERY UNDERDEVELOPED NOOKS COMPARED TO AFAB TROLLS. THERE'S NOT A LOT I KNOW ABOUT IT PERSONALLY.
Interesting. I supp9se this is as g99d an excuse as any t9 pick up 9ld t9mes and start rereading 9n divergent physi9l9gy. Think I'll keep my pers9nal images t9 myself, just t9 r9und this 6ack t9 the initial t9pic I'd p9sted a69ut. 6ut this is 9nly 6ecause I like s9me sense 9f privacy in this regard.