As a much needed distracti9n fr9m the current trending dash t9pic, I'll 6e re-p9sting s9mething fr9m a few nights ag9. If any9ne w9uld like t9 take their thinkpan 9ff 9f the harr9wing events 9f seeing an untagged NSFW p9st, c9nsider engaging in the f9ll9wing t9pic instead as a #SafeSpace: T9 any9ne 9ut there wh9 c9nsiders themself a f9ll9wer 9f the Sufferer's teachings, I have a list 9f inquiries f9r y9u. I have 6een curi9us t9 hear fr9m c9ntemp9rary individuals wh9 6elieve in his 6eliefs (c9ntemp9rary relative t9 y9ur 9wn p9int in space time, given the chr9n9asynchr9n9us nature 9f Chittr, anyway) and w9uld like t9 9pen up a discussi9n regarding y9ur faith. Feel free t9 answer any 9r all 9f them at y9ur leisure. - What is it specifically a69ut his teachings that y9u find m9st inspirati9nal? - What steps have y9u taken in y9ur 9wn life t9 m9del this 6ehavi9r? D9 y9u perf9rm any meaningful acts 9f c9mmunity 9utreach 9r activism in the pursuit 9f caste equality? Why 9r why n9t? - What are y9ur th9ughts 9n the unquantifia6le claim that his relati9nship with his m9st l9yal disciple "transcended the 69undaries 9f quadrants"? D9 y9u find a r9mantic entanglement 6etween a ment9r and mentee, 9r preacher and disciple, t9 6e an egregi9us display 9f a p9wer im6alance, kn9wing that her w9rldview was directly influenced 6y her? - D9 y9u find it gauche t9 represent his legacy with a sym69l reflecting the very meth9d 9f his executi9n? - D9 y9u find it em6arrassing 9r hyp9critical that the last w9rds 9f a tr9ll wh9 spent his life preaching kindness ended up 6eing a vast expletive, thus inadvertently c9nfirming the Empire-led percepti9n 9f 9ffspectrum and caste-atypical tr9lls as mannerless 6rutes? Thank y9u f9r y9ur time, and I l99k f9rward t9 y9ur resp9nses. #TheSignless #TheSufferer #TheDisciple #HisDisciple #Religi9n #Pseud9Religi9n #Menti9ns9fExeccuti9n #Menti9ns9fTranscendingQuadrants #FirstShip #Hem9casteEquality #VastExpletive #JustAskingQuesti9ns
i dunno, i kinda stopped reading halfwvay through. the starfish is pretty cool though. #shrug
POINT OF ORDER! can i answer even if i am appropriately neutral towards The Signless?
I agree, the starfish is c99l. It l99ks very silly spinning ar9und 9n the sea fl9ra like that, and under 9ther circumstances I w9uld really appreciate y9ur attempts at levity, 6ut I w9uld much rather prefer y9u engage with the c9ntent 9f my p9st first.
Sure. I w9uld 6e interested t9 hear an9ther neutral perspective t9wards the Signless. The p9int is n9t t9 take sides 9r make any9ne feel defensive in regards t9 their 6eliefs, it is simply t9 inspire c9nversati9n a69ut s9mething I find interesting.
DIRECT EXAMINATION TESTIMONY! 1. as an agnostic & also a loyal Imperial citizen, i think his treacherous doctrine makes for interesting metaphors & that's it. 2. none; no; i don't feel like it 3. skip 4. actually it's kind of badass 5. i sincerely believe profanity is not at odds with eloquence & effective communication. rhetoric is something you & i share an interest in (#TWFriendship) & an expletive is a very h&y tool for expressiveness when well-utilized. I have no opinions on the popular perception of mutants, on or off-spectrum DISCLAIMER! I formally relinquish any & all association with any explicitly positive opinion of the individual who was at times referred to as The Profaner, Signless, or Sufferer & cannot be held liable for the expression of such opinion by any or all individuals whose company i am party to. Any interpretation of my own words or actions that may be inordinately positive is entirely coincidental & entirely reflective of the reader.
It is always nice t9 engage in a spirited meeting 9f the minds with y9u, Trycks. I alm9st w9nder if I sh9uld start @ing y9u directly in p9sts like these t9 make sure y9u see them. #J9ke #JustKidding #Unless I'll address each 9f y9ur p9ints sequentially then. 1. I w9uld like y9u t9 expand 9n this, if y9u d9n't mind. What d9 y9u think his serm9ns are metaph9rs f9r? 2. Understanda6le. 3. Fine. 4. May6e s9, 6ut that d9es n9t change the fact that it seems deeply 9ffensive t9 imm9rtalize the man's legacy in a way that will f9rever call t9 mind his executi9n at the pr9ngs 9f the state. I c9uld understand if this imagery were put f9rth 6y the Alternian Empire t9 m9ck his impact 6y reminding pe9ple 9f his "place" (a term I use very l99sely, as I d9 n9t pers9nally 6elieve in putting pe9ple in their "place", 6ut I am speaking fr9m the hyp9thetical p9siti9n 9f the Empire), 6ut the idea that it was the idea 9f his f9ll9wers t9 ass9ciate him with the Righte9us Cuffs p9sthum9usly d9es n9t quite sit well with me. Especially 9nce 9ne c9nsiders the fact that the asynchr9n9us nature 9f Chittr means that the Sufferer can n9w see examples 9f his 9wn f9ll9wers flaunting such a p9tentially traumatizing sym69l in the name 9f "supp9rt". 5. I sincerely 6elieve the 9pp9site. I simply see n9 merit in lacing 9ne's w9rds with vulgarities when a p9int c9uld 6e effectively c9mmunicated well with9ut them. And since the Pr9faner (I hadn't enc9untered this title 6ef9re, thanks) c9nsidered himself a skilled 9rat9r in life, I w9uld think that he was a6le t9 h9ld his 9wn in a discussi9n with9ut having t9 rely 9n cheap tactics like f9ul language. I s9metimes cann9t help 6ut w9nder if his legacy w9uld have 6een 6etter received if he kept his m9uth clean. #Hyp9theticalP9siti9ns #Menti9ns9fExecuti9n #AlternianCulling #Chr9n9Asynchr9nicity #Righte9usCuffs #Metaph9rs #ThePr9faner #IllHaveT9C9nsiderIfIWantT9AddThisT9MyPers9nalLexic9n
CONFER WITH CO-COUNSEL*! this *is* fun. you are a strange peer to have but you are one of mine regardless, & while being tagged in posts to argue/discuss sounds just fine to me i will let the record reflect my DMs are open RESPONSE ON THOSE GROUNDS! 1. i genuinely very much enjoy hollow platitudes with inspiring phrasing. parables of the Sufferer's teachings & alleged life events are often framed with "morals" that boil down to these. the messages of respecting others regardless of caste don't offend me whatsoever, even if the corollary messages about caring for those weaker than yourself strikes me as distasteful. ergo, using those teachings as a metaphor for respecting oneself & specifically one's inner circle is an interesting framing for a message i can get behind*. the messages regarding pacifism, too, make interesting allegories for not resorting to violence *immediately* when having a spirited discussion is a more worthwhile use of one's time. 2. i'm keeping a section 2 & 3 in the structure to subsequently add 4 without skipping anything over despite these points being effectively resolved 3. ^ hi, Kankri! 4. i'd always understood the usage of the execution symbolism to have more to do with the strength required to maintain composure, the depth of pain required to provoke his final rage? furthermore, the only iterations i have seen of the Sufferer are still alive (@\IronInfidel is particularly good at the platitudes) & thus would have no reason to be provoked into a trauma response by the symbol, having not interfaced with it meaningfully prior to death. also, while i very much disbelieve in any lifestyle or mindset that would follow the Sufferer's teachings even a little bit (discounting the intentional cherrypicking & misinterpretation), surely the man himself would follow his own philosophy & *forgive* any individuals who utilize the "potentially traumatizing" imagery, as is his own prerogative to so, thus leading it to be improprietous to be mad on his behalf. 5. see, while you can convey a *point* with a more formal register, the tone of one's argument also has a significant influence on the listener or reader's interpretation. not to relitigate the matter of concision, but screaming the word "FUCK" carries a different message than "I AM VERY MAD". & if the former is the message he *meant*, isn't that once again his own prerogative? DIRECT EXAMINATION! also, i'd be curious to hear more of your own thoughts on the subject. while they're implied by the framing of the questions, i'd still be curious to hear your actual answers.** DISCLAIMER! *TO AN APPROPRIATE EXTENT FOR AN IMPERIAL CITIZEN. I DO NOT SYMPATHIZE WITH ANY EXPLICITLY OR IMPLICITLY ANTI-IMPERIAL SENTIMENT EXPRESSED BY THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION. ETC. DISCLAIMER! **I CANNOT BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANY SENTIMENTS EXPRESSED BY THE OTHER PARTY IN THIS CONVERSATION OR FOR SOLICITING THEM; THIS IS AN INTELLECTUAL DISCUSSION WITHOUT POLITICAL INTENT; ALSO IT EXTRA DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE HE'S DEAD & FROM ANOTHER TIMELINE ANYWAYS. THIS IS FINE. I AM LEGISLACERATORIALLY IN THE CLEAR.
1. I can agree with this. T9 6e clear, I have n9 pr96lem with taking the Signless's teachings primarily as metaph9r. In fact, I enc9urage it. In my 9pini9n, there is n9thing wr9ng whats9ever with trying t9 apply his messages t9 9ne's life wherever they see fit, as a l9t 9f what he says are widely applica6le t9 many situati9ns. 2. Ditt9. 3. Hi, Trycks. :) 4. I was certain a deceased iterati9n 9f the Signless existed 9n this platf9rm, 6ut I cann9t currently find his acc9unt. Perhaps he's deleted it. Anyway, y9u are right that any living versi9ns 9f the man w9uld have n9 ass9ciati9n with the sym69l whats9ever and thus n9 reas9n t9 6e traumatizing it, 6ut what 9f versi9ns 9f him that have already 6een executed and have g99d reas9n t9 ass9ciate it with p9tentially the m9st traumatic event 9f his life? I still disagree. "Fuck" is a l9t less clear than "I am very mad", 6ecause the f9rmer can have multiple meanings in a way the latter cann9t. Sch9lars have inferred 6ased 9n c9ntext that the Sufferer was upset, 6ut it is n9t imp9ssi6le that he was attempting t9 enc9urage repr9ducti9n with his dying 6reaths, as 9ne niche sect 6elieves part 9f his j9urney acr9ss Alternia was in the pursuit 9f spreading as much 9f his genes as p9ssi6le and creating m9re 9ffspectrum gru6s. "I am very mad" is a much m9re straightf9rward interjecti9n with 96vi9us interpretati9ns. N9w, let me preface my resp9nse t9 y9ur direct examinati9n 6y first ackn9wledging that it is imp9ssi6le f9r me t9 have a wh9lly un6iased 9pini9n 9f the Signless. 6esides the relati9n, n9t 6eing an Alternian means I did n9t have access t9 m9st aspects 9f his st9ry until after my death s9 I necessarily have 9nly 6een a6le t9 interface with his teachings thr9ugh the lens 9f 9ther pe9ple's rec9rdings (and, usually, em6ellishments) 9f his w9rd. I've als9 met him, 6ut th9se interacti9ns were hardly pr9ductive. All this is t9 say, as it is exceedingly difficult t9 find an 96jective acc9unt 9f the man, I find it imp9rtant t9 interr9gate 9thers' 9pini9ns 9f him where p9ssi6le. H9wever, I cann9t claim that I am anything m9re than am6ivalent t9wards him. I 6elieve he was well-intenti9ned in his crusade against hem9spectrum inequality, 6ut I remain skeptical. F9r 9ne, I think there was n9 way he was nearly as altruistic as his f9ll9wers' acc9unts make him 9ut t9 6e, which 96vi9usly had t9 6e fa6ricated t9 s9me degree t9 paint him in the kindest light imagina6le. His f9ll9wers' acc9unts c9nveniently leave 9ut the inflammat9ry attitude 9f his that can 6e seen in Empire-appr9ved depicti9ns 9f the man. I am sure these are 6iased as well, 6ut it is curi9us that tr9lls wh9 claim t9 want t9 represent him 6est 9mit m9ments when he's instigated altercati9ns. 9ne w9uld think they sh9uld 6e m9re interested in displaying his tr9llmanity and sh9wing that he is n9t s9 different than the average pers9n 6y neutrally highlighting his faults as well as his virtues. As the saying g9es, n969dy is perfect. 6esides that, the Vast Expletive is just em6arrassing. It is, I guess, a g99d way 9f sh9wing h9w flawed he is, 6ut that d9esn't mean I have t9 appr9ve 9f it. #Discussi9ns9fM9rtality #Hem9spectrumInequality #H9ll9wPlatitudes #TheIr9nInfidelityThe9ry #HealthySkepticism #Any9therTagsIAddAtThisP9intW9uld6eRedundant #Y9uGetTheIdea
RESPONSE ON THOSE GROUNDS! 1. LET THE RECORD REFLECT I AM NOT TRYING TO APPLY ANY OF THE SUFFERER'S TEACHINGS TO MY LIFE etc., etc. That would be fucked. what i am doing is legally distinct from that & is no longer up for discussion. in future replies on this post i will be treating 1 as a "filler" slot like 2 & 3. 2. heh 3. ᴹ:) 4. hypotheticals are fun. versions of him that have already been executed & have "good" reason to associate the symbolism - which your typing quirk strikes me as reminiscent of? - with the "traumatic" event should simply lock in. or, to trade a little bit of honesty in my opinion for something more productive to further conversation/debate, if the symbol itself caused so much distress: what alternative would you propose? it's not as if he has an *actual* sign. would the signal of allegiance not be more valuable to him than simply not reminding him of something distressing? & i notice you also failed to address my point that by his own principles he would likely "Forgive" any offense caused - thus, again, rendering it improprietous to be mad on his behalf? (though the whole alternate-timeline version thing offers you in particular more opportunity to do so, apparently?) 5. but think about the delivery of the message - which do you think would do better to provoke the intended reaction from the audience watching his crowd? the crassness being part of the message isn't inappropriate at all for the context 5a. also, i hadn't known about that, that's really funny actually. there's just no way his last message was "Have sex". But the point you raise regarding clarity is, i will begrudge this, fair. I personally am always in favor of people clarifying the tone they intend for their message to be interpreted with, despite taking rhetorical tricks to do less explicitly very seriously. POINT OF ORDER! there is no such thing as a wholly unbiased opinion. & even if there was, i'm asking for your opinion because i want to know what you specifically think, with the context of your own mindset & experiences. In the interest of clarifying the tone I intend my message to be interpreted with, this is a sign of respect. SIDEBAR! YOU MET HIM? WHAT? READING ONTO THE RECORD! Let the record reflect. The Empire-approved depictions of the man are the accurate ones. POINT OF ORDER! i think it would be very impractical to try & really emphasize the trollmanity of the Sufferer if one is not only dedicated enough to deifying him to actively follow the man & share (SEDITIOUS, TREASONOUS) praises but to try & (ILLEGALLY) convert others into sharing those (TREACHEROUS) beliefs. after all, there's a difference between being a follower of the man & being a follower of The Teachings. there's no such thing as a neutral or unbiased depiction of a person or event - there is no way to simply step into a past moment of time & have perfect knowledge of every bit of nuance & context affecting it. there is only what's deemed relevant to write down, & what of that is deemed relevant to share later on. & relevance only exists in the sense of the agenda it is relevant to, even one like "accurate record keeping". RE: THE VAST EXPLITIVE IS JUST EMBARRASSING! eh. it's kind of cool*. DIRECT EXAMINATION! also, do you have any thoughts on the tradition of Secret Sufferer? if you don't argue for it being cultural appropriation i'll find a way to DISCLAIMER! *YOU GET THE POINT BY NOW. I AM NOT LIABLE FOR ANY UNSAVORY INTERPRETATION OF THIS STATEMENT. BY READING THIS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I CANNOT BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANYTHING SAID ON CHITTR DOT ING. I CANNOT BE QUOTED ON ANY PRECEDING OR FOLLOWING STATEMENTS ON ANY SUBJECT. OKAY? COOL.